Shabbos Bulletin Parshas Bamidbar & Shavuos 5778

Shabbos Bulletin Parshas Bamidbar & Shavuos 5778

Minchah, Seudah Shlishis, on Shabbos Erev Yom Tov

When Shabbos is erev Yom Tov, as is now coming up, seudah shlishis/mincha and Hilchos Yom Tov can conflict. There are a few lechatchilahs (initially the ideal way to do things) which can conflict, and one has to plan beforehand and decide.

  • It is better not to eat a seudah erev Yom Tov once the “tenth-hour” is reached. (4:05 pm this year)
  • It is better to eat seudah shlishis after one davens Minchah

After the tenth hour, one may eat seudah shlishis on erev Yom Tov, if necessary, but must be careful not to eat a “large seudah” and to eat less bread than usual. One may certainly eat seudah shlishis before Minchah, if necessary.

The Shul will be having its usual 1:20 pm Minchah. That allows one to daven Minchah, and then eat seudah shlishis whenever one wants, even before 4:05 .

But many people feel rushed in their second seudah if they try to make the 1:20 Minchah.

We didn’t schedule a, say, 2:30pm Minchah, feeling that is a difficult time for people.

So we scheduled a 5:30pm Minchah, figuring that that allows for an almost-normal AuB; and it is still early enough to not really have a problem of encroaching on the nighttime Yom Tov seudah (although it is after the lechatchilah zeman).

One may, of course, choose to eat seudah shlishis before  Minchah. Probably better to eat seudah shlishis before Minchah, and to eat it before 4:05pm.

As of this writing, we will also be having a pre-sheki’ah Minchah, at 7:10 pm .Please check the bulletin if that remained in place.

Theoretically, one can b’di’eved eat a small seudah shlishis up till sheki’ah; but after sheki’ah, even if one is in the middle of their seudah and is used to continuing after sheki’ah on a Motzei Shabbos; be aware that Kiddush (of Yom Tov ) is different than Havdalah, and thus one must stop eating at shekiah, until one makes Kiddush.

Shabbos Bulletin Parshas Nasso/Shavuos 5776

Shabbos Bulletin Parshas Nasso/Shavuos 5776

Tefilla Halacha

This Motza’ei Shabbos, which of course is Yom Tov, one has to make the berachah of borei me’orei ha’eish in the yaknahaz havdala.

The ideal way to make this beracha on a regular Motza’ei Shabbos is to have a torch—i.e, 2 flames together (havdala candles have this “built in”).

There is a question if one can light a flame (from a pre-existing flame) for havdala on Yom Tov.

Lemaaseh, we can assume that one may.

Can you connect 2 candles to form a torch? (One would not simply light a havdala candle from a pre-exising flame, unless one is prepared to let it sit and burn down, as it is assur to extinguish a flame on Yom Tov.)

Skipping over the lengthy discussions, it seems that there are 3 options lemaaseh. Do one of the three, whichever one you feel most comfortable with:

  • Hold the 2 flames together as close as possible without touching each other.
  • Combine the 2 flames only, keeping any wax or wicks separate, and trying to make sure no wax drips down.
  • Put a match into a pre-existing flame (this can be the Yom Tov candle) and after the beracha, put down the match s-l-o-w-l-y and v-e-r-y g-e-n-t-l-y.

If you can find a “yaknahaz candle” (my son-in-law found them in Me’ah Shearim and in Vizhnitz in Ezras Torah), that’s the best! It is a cute little havdala candle (with 3 braids) which sits on a cute small base and burns down in about 15-30 seconds.

(Although using it does assume that one can light a flame from a pre-existing fire for havdala on Yom Tov.)